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Ozebeaver
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posted 09-24-2006 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ozebeaver   Click Here to Email Ozebeaver     Edit/Delete Message
Would anyone on the list be able to help me out with the location of the above Chateau please?

In an 1869 letter the address is given as
Chateau St Croix
78 Rue Kratenbury
Bruges Belgium

I am wondering if the Sint-Kruis (Dutch form of St Croix) would have any bearing on the location. Any information or guidance as to where to look would be great.

Malc_Chr
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posted 09-25-2006 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Malc_Chr     Edit/Delete Message
No idea, but Sint-Kruis is almost certainly St Cross.
A quick google brough up about six castles, four of them can be seen on a local cycle tour http://www.vakantiegenoegens.be/wandelpad/Wandelfiche_model.pdf

The ruins of Veltembos, seem to be nearer Assebroek and the sixth (Ryckevelde castle) seems too modern, but you can find a location map at http://www.damme-online.com/gb/maps/sijsele.htm

Ozebeaver
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posted 09-25-2006 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ozebeaver   Click Here to Email Ozebeaver     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Marc, I will have a browse and see what I can make a connection.

Elizabeth

Aiken Drum
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posted 09-26-2006 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aiken Drum     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.ushistoricalarchive.com/photochroms/3555.html

Ozebeaver
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posted 09-26-2006 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ozebeaver   Click Here to Email Ozebeaver     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you so much for the link for the pic. So the Chateau is actually a city gate or is it still regarded as a chateau?

Liz

Aiken Drum
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posted 09-26-2006 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aiken Drum     Edit/Delete Message
I'm not even sure if it still exists, but it seems to be a city gate rather than a chateau. I did come across mention of a cathedral of the same name, and rather than St Cross, I'd suggest a more reasonable translation would be cross of the saints, most european languages having adjectives after the noun. This would indicate some sort of stone cross or crossroads at a religious site, rather than the implication that there was a saint with an unusual name. You'd need to study the local history of Bruges to find out more.

[This message has been edited by Aiken Drum (edited 09-26-2006).]

Ozebeaver
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posted 09-26-2006 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ozebeaver   Click Here to Email Ozebeaver     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Aiken,

Reading up on Brugges is something I have been doing since last Friday. The St Croix Gate is still cited on a couple of maps. Five original gates have survived time and it is in the area I was looking but just closer to city heart.

If I can just find a Victorian map of Brugge I might be able to find the street that was cited in the letter.
Thanks for all your help.

Liz

ipflo
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posted 09-26-2006 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ipflo   Click Here to Email ipflo     Edit/Delete Message
hi,

I found some more info/ pictures about the gate (in dutch the name is Kruispoort):
http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/1593/kaart_brugge1_filtered.jpg
http://www.belgiumview.com/belgiumview/tl1/view0001223.php4
http://foto.brugge.be/TorensEnKerken/tkkruisp.jpg
http://www.digitalefotosite-corenjoke.com/brugge.htm
http://www.digitalefotosite-corenjoke.com/brug_18.jpg

The street of the gate is called: langestraat.

ipflo

ipflo
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posted 09-26-2006 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ipflo   Click Here to Email ipflo     Edit/Delete Message
Also very nice to try is the following:

Go to: http://www.beeldbankbrugge.be/

Select on the left: zoeken (= search)

Select again on the left: vrij zoeken (=free search)

Type in the searchwindow under "zoekterm" (= search term): 'kruispoort'.

Press the button, called zoeken.

Now you will get 7 pages with old photo's of the kruispoort.

ipflo

Ozebeaver
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posted 09-27-2006 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ozebeaver   Click Here to Email Ozebeaver     Edit/Delete Message
Wow thanks heaps. Will have a look later tonight when the thunderstorms have passed.

Liz

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