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Topic: Looking for Castle Crosby (or the like)
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alCrosby
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posted 05-25-2000 08:09 PM
 
Hello,
I'm also new to the bulletin board and am researching my own family history. I've heard of a "Castle Crosby" but I am not sure of its location or any details at all. I was hoping that somebody would be able to direct me to some information, including any pictures that I could find. Please post information to the bulletin board. I will frequently check it for new information.
This is much appreciated !!! Thanks!!------------------
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wurdsmiff
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posted 05-26-2000 08:17 AM
Crosbie Castle in the town of that name, Ayrshire, Scotland, is a two storey L-plan house of the 17th century which has been incorporated within a later mansion. It replaced an earlier castle on the same site, and an earlier castle here provided shelter for William Wallace during the wars of independance, at a time associated with his burning of the barns of Ayr.
The owner, a Crawford- was Wallaces uncle,and the Ayr burning was reputed to be Wallaces revenge for the murder of his uncle. The property was owned by a family of that name who took their title from their other property of Auchinames.
The surname Crosbie, or Crosby, derives from any of three places of that name, in Ayrshire, Kirkudbrightshire, and Berwickshire, and is recorded as early as 1178-80. At that time, a Iuone de Crosseby witnessed a charter to Arbroath Abbey by Robert de Bruys.------------------
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Philip Davis
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posted 05-26-2000 02:54 PM
The church at Crosby on Eden in Cumbria is built on a possible motte and bailey castle. However I think you are much more likely to be looking for Crosbie castle as desribed by Wurdsmiff.There is alos remains of a ruined manor house called Crosby Ravensworth Hall in Cumbria. ------------------
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Levan
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posted 05-27-2000 05:18 AM
The postings above demonstrate one of commonest problems in tracing the roots of one's ancestors within the United Kingdom and Ireland - very few castles and manors are named after their occupants! Typically, property names reflect geographical links or function rather than ownership. Even those that do carry family names, such as Hunterston on the west coast of Scotland (still occupied by the Hunters) is named thus because of its position adjacent to the Hunterston village/town which pre-dates the castle. Even the village was named after the duties of its inhabitants as royal game-wardens/hunters - only later did the name 'Hunter' become adopted as a surname. Still, it all adds to the thrill of the chase in tracking down relevant details! Levan |
wurdsmiff
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posted 05-28-2000 02:58 PM
Aptly put Levan, I'd like to expand a little. It seems to be a common assumption that a castle which carries what is now a family name, belonged at some point to that family.
This is in fact less commonly the case. Often names of castles and families describe the land they occupied. Levan for instance is said to derive from either the ancient word for elm, from the Gaelic leamhan,- or a water course, deriving from limo, the Celtic word for flood. It illustrates that a name may be widely used in different areas, describing a local feature. There are many Levens in Scotland, though the mis-spelling Levan seems to be unique to that site.
Another example is Stewart, deriving from Steward, who looks after his masters estate. The most famous and obvious example is that of the High Steward whose family gained the throne. But several roots of the name are possible, since all holders of large estates would have had a Steward, and so the name source is from a more common occupation, and not just from its most renowned bearers.
The family of Douglas took their name from the water course of that name in South Lanarkshire, but there are many many Douglas waters in scotland, since Douglas means simply, Black Water. Not all are associated with the family which carry the name.
Previous answers to questions on Moffat, Borthwick and others spring to mind, where although the family name and that of the castle are the same, one did not own or build the other.
The Stirling family never held Stirling Castle, likewise for Edinburgh, Glasgow, Urquhart, and Crawford amongst many.
There are of course contrary examples like Crichton, Castle Campbell, and the village of Castle Douglas, which refers to nearby Threave. All illustrate that there is no substitute for good research.
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The storms, by Castle Gordon'.
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