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LadyCasey
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posted 01-20-2004 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LadyCasey   Click Here to Email LadyCasey     Edit/Delete Message
I'm cuious, I've seen alot of medieval clothing in pictures, paintings, sites etc...but I was just curious did they use corsets back then? Or were they not used until later times? (I can't really remember specifics on their dress)

Peter
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posted 01-20-2004 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter   Click Here to Email Peter     Edit/Delete Message
What a question to a site with all male Moderators ! Any Lady like to put their name forward.
On to the question ... hm! I think the 'real' corset did not come into being until early Victorian times.
I'm sure we have a Lady expert out there ?

Galla
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posted 01-21-2004 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Galla   Click Here to Email Galla     Edit/Delete Message
Corsets can be dated back to the mid 15th century (if I am recalling right), right around the creation of Tudor and Elizabethan periods. A good example of a surviving period corset made of musilum and reeds (instead of whaling) can be found in Janet Arnold's Patters of Fashion c 1560 -1620 (ISBN: 0-89676-083-9). Great book I might add, with documnetation of actual artifacts that had survived.

Some extior leather corsets or cincers were used in Medieval times, but only by few and only in certain countries. Is there a particuliar period of time and certain region you are most interested in?

Costuming is something that I research quite avidly and also recreate, so if there may be a particuliar time or locale that you are looking for, I may be able to help in your search.

Another great book that you might find to be of interest is Survey of Historic Costume -3rd ed by Tortora and Eubank (ISBN: 1-56367-142-5). It also is a great book covering the periods of 3500B.C. through 20th cen. The book goes into great detail of the layers of costuming for men and women, accessories, hair styles, and textures and weaves available. I have found this to be a wonderful insight into the world as it was.

Again, hope this helps some. If I can help, feel free to email me and I will see what I can do! lady_galla@hotmail.com

Peter
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posted 01-21-2004 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter   Click Here to Email Peter     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you LadyCasey,
A 'Cincer' ... !
That even sounds painful.

LadyCasey
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posted 01-21-2004 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LadyCasey   Click Here to Email LadyCasey     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I love corsets! And though I have failed miserably in trying to recreate one myself, I own several, one is vintage with whale bone and the other three are more modern. I have been planning on having one made for me, a reproduction of a vintage style but I have not chosen what period I want...that was why I was wondering if they had them that far back, so far I think I will go with a victorian style for they are much easier to recreate and they started being more attractive in the late victorian era (colors, designs and such)
Do you have a favorite corset period?

Thank you for the info as well, I will probably endulge myself on both of those books!

Peter
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posted 01-22-2004 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter   Click Here to Email Peter     Edit/Delete Message
I hope that question is directed at Galla not me !

LadyCasey
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posted 01-23-2004 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LadyCasey   Click Here to Email LadyCasey     Edit/Delete Message
hehe, yes peter it is. Unless...do you have a favorite corset period too? Hehehe.

Galla
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posted 02-21-2004 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Galla   Click Here to Email Galla     Edit/Delete Message
Actually I do not really have a favorite period for corsets, yet I do love costuming for the Italian Renaissance. They were not much for the using of corsets, but the shape of the dress and support that the cut gives, is very nice. I find it much easier to build it within the dress than to wear something separate. Don't give up on the corset thing, that is definately something that would take a great deal of practice to master. Best of luck.

Galla~

Grendel
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posted 03-26-2004 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Grendel   Click Here to Email Grendel     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, mastering the craft of corset huh? That's pretty cool. I had a friend who made chasity belts, which have been around possibly for millenias now, for females and men as well (she was uh ... pretty crazy). They're basically the same as corsets to me, pain wise, even without ever trying either on (and i do not plan on ever trying on either). They look equally painful at least. :P *shudder*

The woman who made these belts perhaps has delt in other undergarments. I will ask her and post any "techniques" she might have acquired.

Merlin
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posted 03-26-2004 04:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Merlin   Click Here to Email Merlin     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry, but chastity-belts have not been around for millenias and have nothing to do with medieval times they're mainly a strange mode from victorian England.

Grendel
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posted 03-26-2004 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Grendel   Click Here to Email Grendel     Edit/Delete Message
Actually several crusaders froced their wives to slip into a few chastiy belts. You might be thinking about the Scold's Bridle, or a brank, that was most popular around the 1600's which "cured" gossipy women. It is fact the only existant belts are from the Victorian though there are medieval gynecological manuals which would certainly refer to such objects...

Merlin
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posted 03-29-2004 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Merlin   Click Here to Email Merlin     Edit/Delete Message
there are medieval gynecological manuals which would certainly refer to such objects...

From the time of the crusades? I never read about them, so I would be interested if you could give me a hint were to find them.

LadyCasey
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posted 03-30-2004 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LadyCasey   Click Here to Email LadyCasey     Edit/Delete Message
Chastity belts huh? I'm sure my father would love that idea...I think i'll stick to my attemp at corsets! I just can't get that curvy shape down...they always come out sewn wrong or they just don't follow the natural female curves as they are supposed too...Blah**

"Never give up, never surrender!"

Hehe...
Casey

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