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Schrolly I am a 16 year old sophomore doing a report on Merlin the Magician, and one legend says that he is buried in Dynevore Castle, in Dyned. My question is where is Dyned?
Philip Davis I think you must be refering to Dinefwr castle in Wales. (The welsh name is spelt Dynevor in English). This castle is located in Dyfed (A county of wales between 1974 and 1996). Information on this castle can be found at http://www.castlewales.com/dinefwr.html (But nothing about Merlin)
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wurdsmiff I concur with what Philip says. All I can add to it is that I found was a Merlin's cave in the hills close by Dynefwr, and reference to the legend that Merlin was born in Carmarthen, Caerfyddin in Welsh, meaning 'Merlin's City/Fort'.

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wurdsmiff Am currently trying to track down a piece I once read which suggested a southern Scotland burial for Merlin, ?????Merlinsland near Drummelzier Tweedale??? If I find it I'll let you know, but like most of these legendary things, a few sites vie their claims.
Go to; http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~tomgreen/myrddin.htm
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The storms, by Castle Gordon'.
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Gordon.
[This message has been edited by wurdsmiff (edited 01-22-2000).]
Philip Davis I have also noted that there are two Merlin's. The semi-historic Merlin, who was a bard to Arthur, and the completely legendary Merlin Arthur's magician. The second may by an extension of the first.
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wurdsmiff Quite, and Arthur poses the same problems.
There is little doubt in either case that there was a source character, but the records are corrupted by the legend and folklore. In both cases it is likely that other names were
used, and that translation has also had it's part to play, but accurate historical record is difficult to identify as those records which do exist are often re-writings of others with a bit of the legend thrown in. Possibly it is compounded by the difficulty that even the professional historians have in separating fact from ledgend, and it is that which makes it all so mysterious and appealing.
All fascinating as background history, but with no firm factual connection to mediaeval castles, the legends being attributed to various sites (Dunnideer Castle in Scotland is reputed to have been one site where Arthur held court with the King of the Picts). It is also interesting that various episodes in the story are claimed by the various nations, as though the romanticists have tried to claim them as their own. For instance the imprisonment of Gwenivere at Glastonbury is also claimed by Alyth Castle in Angus, Merlin's burial place etc.
It strikes me that there are similarities here with the (Scots) claim that the Robin Hood ledgend is a corruption of the William Wallace story, where an oppressed populace allegedly adopted tales of a folk hero from another area to reflect their own desire for a similar saviour.
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'Give me the groves that lofty brave,
The storms, by Castle Gordon'.
Visit my web-site at
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Gordon.
[This message has been edited by wurdsmiff (edited 01-23-2000).]
wurdsmiff For all seekers of the Arthur Legend, I've just submitted a pic of the 'Kings Knot' at Stirling Castle to the Photo archive. As I've mentioned before this is alleged to have been the site of the round table, though whatever may have been there before has been superceded by a piece of 15th century garden landscaping. You'll find it in the Scottish castles section, follow the link to the Photo Archive at the foot of the page. Enjoy.
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'Give me the groves that lofty brave,
The storms, by Castle Gordon'.
Visit my web-site at
www.castlesontheweb.com/members/wurdsmiff/castles.htm
Gordon.
Merlin The most detailed book about Merlin I know of is L.Tolstoi's 'MERLIN' (edited in the uk, 199?). He did a realy profound research on the life an death of the bard/magician and came up with the conclusion that he realy is a historical figure and lived in the early middle ages in wales. Tolstoi also thinks to have found the place where Merlin died... I don't have the book at hand, sorry.
Merlin (glad to be so famous!).
wurdsmiff A bit late for this project, but finally confimed that Broughton in the Scottish Borders lays claim to having been the home of Merlin. Also note that Stobo Kirk nearby has a stained glass window depicting the baptism of Merlin by St Mungo (patron Saint of Glasgow), and that at Drumelzier is a thornbush, allegedly marking the grave of the magician.
Co-incidently a book has been published claiming Scottish roots and settings for the legend of Arthur,
Arthur and the Lost Kingdoms
Alistair Moffat
Orion, Sept 2000
pbk 0753810743 �8.99
A paperback edition of Moffat's investigations into the Arthur legend, which lead him to believe that the true site of Camelot is in the Scottish Borders.

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- Mason family motto.
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Schrolly	I am a 16 year old sophomore doing a report on Merlin the Magician, and one legend says that he is buried in Dynevore Castle, in Dyned. My question is where is Dyned?
Philip Davis	I think you must be refering to Dinefwr castle in Wales. (The welsh name is spelt Dynevor in English). This castle is located in Dyfed (A county of wales between 1974 and 1996). Information on this castle can be found at http://www.castlewales.com/dinefwr.html (But nothing about Merlin) ------------------ Neurotics build castles in the air, psychotics live in them, Psychiatrists charge the rent, art therapists do the interior design and nurses clean out the garderobes! http://www.castlesontheweb.com/members/philipdavis/index.html
wurdsmiff	I concur with what Philip says. All I can add to it is that I found was a Merlin's cave in the hills close by Dynefwr, and reference to the legend that Merlin was born in Carmarthen, Caerfyddin in Welsh, meaning 'Merlin's City/Fort'. ------------------ 'Give me the groves that lofty brave, The storms, by Castle Gordon'. Visit my web-site at www.castlesontheweb.com/members/wurdsmiff/castles.htm Gordon. [This message has been edited by wurdsmiff (edited 01-22-2000).]
wurdsmiff	Am currently trying to track down a piece I once read which suggested a southern Scotland burial for Merlin, ?????Merlinsland near Drummelzier Tweedale??? If I find it I'll let you know, but like most of these legendary things, a few sites vie their claims. Go to; http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~tomgreen/myrddin.htm ------------------ 'Give me the groves that lofty brave, The storms, by Castle Gordon'. Visit my web-site at www.castlesontheweb.com/members/wurdsmiff/castles.htm Gordon. [This message has been edited by wurdsmiff (edited 01-22-2000).]
Philip Davis	I have also noted that there are two Merlin's. The semi-historic Merlin, who was a bard to Arthur, and the completely legendary Merlin Arthur's magician. The second may by an extension of the first. ------------------ Neurotics build castles in the air, psychotics live in them, Psychiatrists charge the rent, art therapists do the interior design and nurses clean out the garderobes! http://www.castlesontheweb.com/members/philipdavis/index.html
wurdsmiff	Quite, and Arthur poses the same problems. There is little doubt in either case that there was a source character, but the records are corrupted by the legend and folklore. In both cases it is likely that other names were used, and that translation has also had it's part to play, but accurate historical record is difficult to identify as those records which do exist are often re-writings of others with a bit of the legend thrown in. Possibly it is compounded by the difficulty that even the professional historians have in separating fact from ledgend, and it is that which makes it all so mysterious and appealing. All fascinating as background history, but with no firm factual connection to mediaeval castles, the legends being attributed to various sites (Dunnideer Castle in Scotland is reputed to have been one site where Arthur held court with the King of the Picts). It is also interesting that various episodes in the story are claimed by the various nations, as though the romanticists have tried to claim them as their own. For instance the imprisonment of Gwenivere at Glastonbury is also claimed by Alyth Castle in Angus, Merlin's burial place etc. It strikes me that there are similarities here with the (Scots) claim that the Robin Hood ledgend is a corruption of the William Wallace story, where an oppressed populace allegedly adopted tales of a folk hero from another area to reflect their own desire for a similar saviour. ------------------ 'Give me the groves that lofty brave, The storms, by Castle Gordon'. Visit my web-site at www.castlesontheweb.com/members/wurdsmiff/castles.htm Gordon. [This message has been edited by wurdsmiff (edited 01-23-2000).]
wurdsmiff	For all seekers of the Arthur Legend, I've just submitted a pic of the 'Kings Knot' at Stirling Castle to the Photo archive. As I've mentioned before this is alleged to have been the site of the round table, though whatever may have been there before has been superceded by a piece of 15th century garden landscaping. You'll find it in the Scottish castles section, follow the link to the Photo Archive at the foot of the page. Enjoy. ------------------ 'Give me the groves that lofty brave, The storms, by Castle Gordon'. Visit my web-site at www.castlesontheweb.com/members/wurdsmiff/castles.htm Gordon.
Merlin	The most detailed book about Merlin I know of is L.Tolstoi's 'MERLIN' (edited in the uk, 199?). He did a realy profound research on the life an death of the bard/magician and came up with the conclusion that he realy is a historical figure and lived in the early middle ages in wales. Tolstoi also thinks to have found the place where Merlin died... I don't have the book at hand, sorry. Merlin (glad to be so famous!).
wurdsmiff	A bit late for this project, but finally confimed that Broughton in the Scottish Borders lays claim to having been the home of Merlin. Also note that Stobo Kirk nearby has a stained glass window depicting the baptism of Merlin by St Mungo (patron Saint of Glasgow), and that at Drumelzier is a thornbush, allegedly marking the grave of the magician. Co-incidently a book has been published claiming Scottish roots and settings for the legend of Arthur, Arthur and the Lost Kingdoms Alistair Moffat Orion, Sept 2000 pbk 0753810743 �8.99 A paperback edition of Moffat's investigations into the Arthur legend, which lead him to believe that the true site of Camelot is in the Scottish Borders. ------------------ Demeure par la verite - Mason family motto. Visit my web-site at www.castlesontheweb.com/members/wurdsmiff/castles.htm Gordon.