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leecjohnson
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posted 08-24-2001 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leecjohnson   Click Here to Email leecjohnson     Edit/Delete Message
[Please tell me why Lincoln Castle is not as esteemed as it should be considering it caries one of the few original copies of the magna carta? The magna carta is infinitly important in the history of england, yet it is housed in a castle which people deem as irrelevent when it comes to history, how so?]

AJR
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posted 08-24-2001 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AJR     Edit/Delete Message
I don't suppose there is a simple answer to that question. It's possible that the city itself does no promote the fact, and I suspect that very few foreign tourists go there. Still, given the important document it houses, you're right in saying it should be a top site. Sadly though, too many people are not interested in English history (particularly the English).

Maybe you would like to write to the local tourist information centre expressing your views. They may give you a good reason. I suggest you respond in the "feedback" section on their website at
http://www.lincoln-info.org.uk/tourism/places.htm

Another interesting site is
http://www.lincolnsurvey.uklinux.net/castle1.htm

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leecjohnson
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posted 08-30-2001 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leecjohnson   Click Here to Email leecjohnson     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for replying, my interest in Lincoln Castle and Cathedral has grown since I was a little girl. I was born in Lincoln and am interested in its history if there is anything else you could tell me I would be thoroughly interested. I really am surprised I only received one response. Is Lincoln castle that much of an unknown? It's cathedral is one of the most beautiful, and parts of the cathedral are the oldest in England, yet again another shame on the part of Lincoln and the historical societies in England. I have to laugh at the Americans, because they believe that something 200 years old is phenominal, and so they are put in museums. Then you look at England with its castles that are at least 700 yrs. old and no promotion to be found, it makes no sense. What is your opinion on this?

Gordon
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posted 08-30-2001 05:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message
It's a question of relativity. To the Americans, artefacts dating 200 years are ancient when compared to the age of the modern nation. Whereas in the UK, and no doubt other European countries, 200 years is relatively young.
There is simply too much archaeology in the UK to make preservation of the bulk feasible, and so the best is kept, and the rest recorded. Sites of historic importance tend to be preserved.
There is pressure on land space over here, and relatively unimportant sites are often found when modern development is taking place, and so limited investigatory digs are made to assess the importance of the site, and a decision made on whether to preserve or not. Salvage digs on develoment sites tend to be time limited.
It is also worth noting that the merits of retaining historic buildings is a fairly recent innovation. Those which served no useful function tended to be remodeled, robbed for materials, or the site cleared for other uses in earlier centuries.
Much archaeology is lost in this way, but a balance has to be struck with modern requirements too.

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AJR
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posted 08-31-2001 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AJR     Edit/Delete Message
When I was originally searching for information on Lincoln Castle, there seemed very few books on the subject. I eventually found one by Sheila Sancha entitled Lincoln Castle published by Lincolnshire County Council : Recreation Services – Tourism, in 1985. Although it is directed at younger readers, I still found the booklet interesting.

I do have some vintage postcards of Lincoln Castle, which I can e-mail you if you would like them.

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duncan
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posted 08-31-2001 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for duncan   Click Here to Email duncan     Edit/Delete Message
To shed no light on a topic of confusing nature, here in the states we do have places that are as ancient as the Pict Stones in Scotland or as old as Stonehinge in England, but the money for research comes from the people who want to trace their ancestery to a little more modern time when people migrated from a island nation and came here.
Work has been done at these older sites, i know i have had a part in it, and several places, like the rosetta stone area of Hebner and others where pictagraphs are etched into the stone are now excepted as being from Norse visiters that arrived long before someone in a rented ship got lost.
But if this country is just now getting used to those facts, i fear the exceptance of even earler visiters may take many many more years.

Gordon
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posted 09-02-2001 06:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Duncan, I very carefully used the phrase 'modern nation' to qualify what I'd said. I'm glad you expanded on that, but I'm sure folks would be interested in the older sites. Tell us more. Are there any ancient Indian sites worth mentioning?

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duncan
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posted 09-02-2001 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for duncan   Click Here to Email duncan     Edit/Delete Message
Gordon, i took no offense to any thing, i was very tired when i posted that and can truthfully say i'm not much better now, so here goes.
The American Indians were for the most part hunters/gathers and traveled alot taking their belongings with them, a few like the pueblo tribes had permenent homes and seemed to have reached their peak oong before the ruins i worked on came into existence.
Many of the pictagraph stones are to be found in remote parts of this state as well as others. I know of a site not far from here that is in a city park and gets walked by countless times a day and is never seen. Its close to where many upright stones were in a circle untill an earthquake in 1890 brought them down, thats documented in an old rail road paper saying where they were to get stone for a bridge. The up rights are still there laying in a rough circle but some of the smaller ones are missing.
In some parts of the US there are areas that are close to the size of small villages and all have one thing in common, the foundations are of worked stone and some even have stone lined streets like the city that has been found in Florida. On these sites the American Indians consider it theirs and Holy ground, and that puts most research to a halt before it begins. I know of one such place that the stone was taken from a hill side and the hole that is left is 3/4 mile wide, 1/2 mile deep and extends over 1 mile long, thats a lot of stone to be moved by hand!!!!
To the south of here where we were working a group of fortune hunters used explosives and heavy equipment one weekend to destroy a large area that had showed signs of being settled. The univeristy then stopped all work on what was left of the dig and i know of no others since then.


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Gordon
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posted 09-03-2001 03:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message
were any of these relics dated?

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duncan
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posted 09-05-2001 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for duncan   Click Here to Email duncan     Edit/Delete Message
Some of the oldest was carbon dated back to 2400 bc.
No one in the years i worked the dig had a way to know when stone had been cut, unlike today.
In my less then 'expert' findings i think at least some of the stone work could have been done by the Mandan tribe. Most had light colored hair/ blue eyes and many people feel were of Welsh decent from Prince Madoc ab Owain Gwynedd.
His story goes that in 1170 he and others fled a civil war in Wales and landed at Mobile Bay Alabama.
He supossidly made several trips across the Alantic with more people to settle here.
It's documented that these 'white indians' lived in villiges layed out with streets and squares and spoke in the Welsh language. They also referred to a ancestral homeland which was a island to the north.

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Peter
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posted 09-23-2001 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter   Click Here to Email Peter     Edit/Delete Message
Fortress-Churches of Languedoc.
Shiela Bonde CUP 1994

May seem a strange place to find information on Lincoln, mainly the cathedral. Shiela quotes Lincoln as one of the few British examples of a fortified cathedral.
There is even a reconstruction drawing of the west front.
Hm !
does say " A lone 11th century example of machicolated arches exists in the west facade of Lincoln Cathedral."
It would be fair to say, that just because we do not read in public press of places, objects, etc. It does not mean they are not being studied or discussed.
Many of them are. But findings, reports, are published out of the public sector. And many of them that are avaiable, will cost you an arm and a leg if you are so interested.

All times are PT (US)

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