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Topic: A castle for a story
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Faetigree_Caiseal Member
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posted 10-02-2002 10:20 PM
I'm attempting to write a story (looking at it being around 200-400 pages if I'm lucky, and can concoct something interesting enough to stimulate myself, much less readers), and I have a question concerning towers. I need to know how tall a typical tower would be, how large a room inside the tower would be possible, how high up that room could be, and what was the largest I could make it without it being impractical or unrealistic.This tower is, at the moment, serving for a sorcerer's observation deck, and the room of which I would need size and placement in the tower would need to house an eight-foot table at least, numerous shelves (if possible, shelves that fit the curves of the walls), torches along the walls where shelves are not placed, and room not only to work, but also to place a kettle for mixing potions, and a stand to hold the sorcerer's spellbook. If you can help me with this, I'd be grateful, because I don't believe that a story can be good if the facts are distorted, and I wish to be able to keep in line with the buildings of the time. The tower will most likely be off to the side of the castle wall, though not attached, and will need to be the highest vantage point for miles. Thanks for the help, and I'm glad to find this board. I wasn't sure where to look for any of this stuff, or I would have done so. ------------------ Analyn Dragons were meant to be ridden... and impressed to. |
Faetigree_Caiseal Member
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posted 10-10-2002 11:10 PM
C'mon, please?? Someone out there has to know something about towers, and be able to design something like this. Does anyone know of a program that will build castles even?? At this point, if it's got dimensions, I'll even take that. I can't write a good story until I get some base facts.------------------ Analyn Dragons were meant to be ridden... and impressed to. |
Erik Schmidt Senior Member
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posted 10-11-2002 05:50 AM
Hi F-C. I had a bit of a laugh when you wrote; "I don't believe that a story can be good if the facts are distorted" just after explaining you want a corcerer complete with bookshelves, torches and cauldron. You've been taking Merlin too seriously. OK, I'll stop picking on you now. What date are you aiming for? Castles have towers of a very wide range of heights and widths, so you could fit that into a tower quite well. Most towers were small and formed part of the wall defence, but some are 80 feet tall and 20-40 feet wide. The largest and strongest tower, and almost always the one placed at the highest point, was used as the keep. Some of the smaller castles were nothing more than a tower and small enclosure, with maybe a small building within it. Such a tower would be 15m(37feet) tall and only 4-5m(10-13feet) across, including the wall thickness. A couple of points though. During the middle ages documents were often stored in trunks along with lots of other things. In some cases a special room was used, just behind the main fireplace, with a set of hanging shelves. This kept the humidity low and the mice, rats and moisture off the precious documents. Erik
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Faetigree_Caiseal Member
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posted 10-11-2002 05:49 PM
Okay, I can see your point of view with ***I had a bit of a laugh when you wrote; "I don't believe that a story can be good if the facts are distorted" just after explaining you want a corcerer complete with bookshelves, torches and cauldron. You've been taking Merlin too seriously.*** as you so delicately put it. My sorcerer would be the "bad guy", who wants a clear view of the land from a high point. As to time-frame, the castle would be located in a "world" parallel to ours. (Don't laugh, if it wasn't for us people with imaginations, the world would be a dull, boring play without anything to aspire to) I suppose the castle would look similar to the castle here, though I'm unsure of the timeframe of which it would have been built. This is a Bavarian Castle. http://www.art.com/asp/sp-asp/_/NV--1_1824_1962_7102/PD--10054832 /SZ--3/posters.htm?XRFID=197756&TKID=5798233 This would be the Palace and Fort at Agra, which I also found... and may very well think to use something like this, seeing as how it's more to my fancy. http://www.art.com/asp/sp-asp/_/NV--1_1824_1962_7102/PD--10032209/SZ--3/posters.htm?XRFID=197756&TKID=5798233 [This message has been edited by Faetigree_Caiseal (edited 10-11-2002).] [This message has been edited by Faetigree_Caiseal (edited 10-11-2002).] |
Erik Schmidt Senior Member
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posted 10-12-2002 07:30 AM
No need to defend your free imagination. Go for it. OK, the first castle you link to is not, in fact, a castle. It is a palace built for a very rich, spoilt and somewhat mad monarch, who obviously wanted a fairytale castle for himself. It was, will you believe, built in the late 19th century, some 400 hundred years after the last true castles were built. Here's a link; http://www.neuschwanstein-hotel.com/bavarian-castle/ The second one you link to I don't know, but it looks and sounds very Arabic. If you like that style, then here is a link to pictures of a famous arabic palace in spain; http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/The_Alhambra.html Someone posted a great photo of a large model of a tower keep in a French castle, but I don't seem to have the link. Here are a couple of others. Here is one with a cross section of it's tower; http://www.casteland.com/pfr/chateau/aquitaine/gironde/roquetaillade/roquetaillade_histoire3.htm One with large towers; http://www.eatandstay.com/pierrefonds.htm This model shows the tower well; http://www.hessennet.de/seeheim-jugenheim/freizeit/Sehenswuerdigkeiten/Burgruine_Tannenberg.htm Maybe this one; http://perso.wanadoo.fr/perso.apm/gaillard/cgaillard.html Erik |
Faetigree_Caiseal Member
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posted 10-12-2002 06:58 PM
Thanks, that helps alot. For the tower with the insides shown, would there be much difference to the structure if the tower were to be more of a slight conical shape, do you know??? |
Erik Schmidt Senior Member
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posted 10-12-2002 07:53 PM
Many towers are given a slight conical shape, but the only way I recall ever seeing this done is when the walls are thicker at the base than at the top. You cannot make the rooms above slightly smaller than the ones below, as the arches cannot bear the forces in that way as far as I know.Erik |
Faetigree_Caiseal Member
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posted 10-12-2002 07:57 PM
Alright, then the tower will be something straightly built... is eighty feet up too high for a normal height?? Remember, the observation deck would have to be able to be reached without the socerer becoming light-headed. Also, attack from the ground would be hard to hit the top of the obesrvation deck, right?? |
Erik Schmidt Senior Member
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posted 10-12-2002 10:05 PM
I looked at some German castles on this site; http://www.burgenwelt.de/frameset.htm There are plenty with large towers such as; http://www.burgenwelt.de/muenzen/bitre.htm http://www.burgenwelt.de/eppstein/biepp.htm The next two two have a thinner tower at the top, might be just what you are after; http://www.burgenwelt.de/friedberg/bifels.htm http://www.burgenwelt.de/idstein/biidstein.htm The second one gives dimentions for the tower's ground floor room of 4.35-4.6m internal diameter and 11.3m external diameter. As you can see, these towers are all very tall. Howerver it is not the height alone that makes them a great fortification. You ask about hitting the top of the observation deck. Well, defence of a castle or tower involves both strength in the fortification, but more importantly, active defence. One person alone would have great difficulty in defending a tower. If the enemy can get as close as they like, then hitting the top of the tower with seige engines or arrows would not be difficult. Also, if you can't keep them away from near your tower base, they can undermine it and it will fall in a heap. This is how many castles were breached. It takes active defence to keep the enemy away from the walls, rebuilding what they knock down, raiding their positions or countermining their mines, killing them or flooding the shafts. If your tower is on a steep, rocky outcrop, then you will avoid may of those problems. But they can still undercut or dismantle the base of the tower if you have no way of stopping or counterating that. Erik | |