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Big Al
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posted 09-23-99 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Big Al     Edit/Delete Message
I have visited the ruins of a scottish castle on a small island on the Hudson River in the lower Hudson valley N.Y.called Bannermans castle.Was wondering if anyone else knows of this castle.

wurdsmiff
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posted 09-24-99 09:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message
If you can find out a little more, I'll try and find the Scottish data.
Was it originally built there by early immigrants, or transported?
Anything else would help. A few Scottish buildings were bought and transported over, not necessarily fortified, this would mean they would not be classed as castles here, though could be under US usage of the name.

Big Al
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posted 09-24-99 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Big Al     Edit/Delete Message
Francis Bannerman was a descendent of the massacred MacDonalds of Glencoe in 1692.He was born in Dundee Scotland in 1851 and came to the USA when he was 3 years old. He built his castle from the ground up in the early 1900s until his death in 1918.

wurdsmiff
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posted 09-25-99 08:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Can't find any data on Mr Bannerman at this end, though I must admit that much of my library deals with Scottish history to the 18th century. I doubt given the date of construction whether your castle would meet my definition of a castle, in that any apparent castle features would be built for decorative purposes rather than for genuine defence of the house. It sounds from what you say as if rather than being a Scottish Castle, this is an American Castle, built by a Scot.
Will continue to keep an eye out for mentions of your man, otherwise,sorry,
wurdsmiff

Big Al
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posted 09-25-99 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Big Al     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for your time and interest. Your right it's an American castle built by a scot, though I never thought of it that way. Thanks for keeping an eye out, any information on the Bannerman or Macdonald families would be appreciated.

wurdsmiff
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posted 09-25-99 12:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Bannermans held the following castles in Scotland, at one time or another; Dunbog, Pitmedden House, and Waterton Castle.
MacDonalds had at least 42,though not constantly(some for shorter periods) centered mainly on the west coast. Finlaggan on Islay was their main base, and seat of Lords of the Isles. Recent NASA data from the shuttle has thrown Finlaggaan into the spotlight, since the size of the settlement and the roads system has been shown to be more extensive than first thought, and now moves are afoot to preserve more of the area around the loch.(the castle is sited on an island in Loch Finlaggan).

Big Al
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posted 10-24-99 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Big Al     Edit/Delete Message
Wurdsmiff
Could you refer me to any books that may contain information on Dunbog castle,Pittmedden house, Waterton castle or the massacre of the Macdonald family. Your help would be greatly apreciated.

wurdsmiff
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posted 10-24-99 03:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message
The Castles of Scotland, by Martin Coventry, published by Goblinshead in Edinburgh.

Other castle books which would list these tend to come in various volumes, McGibbon & Ross, The Castellated and Domestic Architecture of scotland has been published in a facsimilie edition by James Thin of Edinburgh, but is expensive.
Nigel Tranter, The Fortified House in Scotland is a classic in 5 volumes, or Mike Salter of Folly publications did a series of The castles of ...for five different areas.
John Prebble has written a good book on the Glencoe massacre, sorry don't remember the publisher.
Any other GOOD Scottish History book would help, try scotland, by Michael Lynch (Pimlico) or Tom Steel, Scotlands Story.
Will follow up with a few details on the Castles from my own references.

wurdsmiff
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posted 10-24-99 03:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Dunbog Castle has now gone, the site now occupied by a mansion of the same name.
It stood near Dunbog, 3 miles south east of Newburgh, Fife, and was an L-Plan tower house built by the Bannermans.

Pitmedden House again was replaced by, or partly incorporated within a 17th century house. It stood 4 miles south west of Ellon, Aberdeenshire. The Bannermans held it for a while before it went out of the family.

Waterton Castle is a ruined 17th century tower house held by the Bannermans from 1650 to after 1770. It stands 1 mile east of Ellon.
from MC. Castles of Scotland 2nd ed. abbrev.
got to http://www.scotland2000.com/weeguides/order.htm
if you have problems getting the book.

[This message has been edited by wurdsmiff (edited 10-24-99).]

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