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deborahknowles
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posted 11-02-2007 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deborahknowles   Click Here to Email deborahknowles     Edit/Delete Message
Can someone clever tell me when helmets started having hinged visors in medieval Europe (doesn't matter what country)? I'd be very grateful for an exact year - or at least the decade!Thanks!

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Paul
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posted 11-02-2007 09:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Hello Deborah, I'm no expert on the subject of medieval armour but I'm pretty sure that at the time of the Norman conquest that the helmets or "Helms" that were worn consisted of a fixed "Nasal" and that they could not be lifted above the face.
The visor that you refer to was a little later, possibly in the early 13th century.

Paul.

Merlin
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posted 11-03-2007 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Merlin   Click Here to Email Merlin     Edit/Delete Message
I'd say late 13th century, but I'm no expert as well.

Queuxgropius
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posted 11-03-2007 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Queuxgropius   Click Here to Email Queuxgropius     Edit/Delete Message
I can't recall seeing any medieval illustrations that display a hinged visor before time of the battle of Crecy. So I'd estimate early to mid fourteenth century.

Merlin
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posted 11-03-2007 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Merlin   Click Here to Email Merlin     Edit/Delete Message
I found at least two of them pictured in the famous «Codex Manesse», which was produced here in Zurich in the years 1305 to 1340.
Here's a complete online-edition: http://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/cpg848/

deborahknowles
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posted 11-04-2007 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deborahknowles   Click Here to Email deborahknowles     Edit/Delete Message
Fabulous pictures, Merlin! Thanks!

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deborahknowles
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posted 11-04-2007 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deborahknowles   Click Here to Email deborahknowles     Edit/Delete Message
I've narrowed it down to the second quarter of the 14th century. Thanks for everyone's help!

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Paul
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posted 11-06-2007 10:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi Deborah, I'm sticking with the 13th century here simply because I believe that body armour would have been more important than ever before.
The crossbow was becoming more powerful as a lethal weapon and so armour had to develop at the same pace or quicker.
I found this site for you http://www.medieval-spell.com/Medieval-Helmets.html

I can't vouch for its accuracy as I'm no weapons or armour expert as I've said before.

Paul.

deborahknowles
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posted 11-07-2007 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deborahknowles   Click Here to Email deborahknowles     Edit/Delete Message
Ok! Thanks!

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