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posted 02-01-2001 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tanukie   Click Here to Email tanukie     Edit/Delete Message
I do genealogy and was told that there was a Cogan, Coggan or Coggin Castle. In England Wales or Ireland not sure of the time in history. Can you tell me if there was a Castle with one of those names? I have searched the net, but can't find one . If there was a Castle can you tell me how I can find information on it. Thank you so much for any help you can give me. I have a family member that will be coming to England and Ireland at the end of Feb and they wanted to know if there was a Castle would it still be standing and if so where is it. Thanks Sandra P.S. Coggins was my maiden name.

posted 02-02-2001 10:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I have been unable to find a reference to any such castle. Since this is really a geneology question I wonder if it might have been suited to that Forum. Nevertheless, I did find very few mentions of the name based in Ireland, though the nature of these were by way of enquiry rather than providing useful data. It is possible that the name derives from the Welsh placename Cogan in the Llandaff Dioscese, and a few folks of that name are recorded in southern Scotland in the 13th century. No castles though that I can find.

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posted 02-02-2001 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter   Click Here to Email Peter     Edit/Delete Message
Coggin, Cogan etc.
Tends to have an Irish ring to it more than Welsh.
Regarding the Welsh site name mentioned. this is near Penarth, where, strange enough I have an Aunt. And there is certainly no castle or anything else there. Although there are several sites not too far away. but none of these had Lords with that kind of name.
A closer study of Irish palce names may reveal something ?

posted 02-02-2001 01:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message
My reference was George F Black, The Surnames of Scotland, the definitive work on Scottish name origins. However I re-checked the Irish sites, and came up with this:

by Paul McCotter

This comes from Cogan, a place near Cardiff in Wales. This family like most of the south Welsh colonists, was probably of Flemish origin. The family was among the leaders of the invasion of Cork; most if not all of them must descend from Richard de Cogan who lived in the early thirteenth century. Richard also possessed lands around Bray in Wicklow and obtained lands in Galway at the time of the Connacht invasion, which the family lost during the fourteenth century.

Also in that century the greater share of the Cogan estate in Cork was overrun by the McCarthys and Barretts but they retained lands south of Cork City until the seventeenth century. Today the name is principally found in County Cork with a smaller concentration in Kildare, descendants perhaps of an early offshoot settled on the Leinster lands.

This surname history is reproduced with the kind permission of Irish Roots Magazine in which it was first published as part of the feature article, Anglo-Norman Surnames of Ireland (part 4), in issue 1, 1998.

Published by: Belgrave Publications
Year written: 1998
Copyright owned by: Belgrave Publications

However I can still find no mention of the existence of a castle of that name, though that does not mean that it did not exist. Family surnames and property names did not always match.
A search of the place names of Ireland produced nowhere of that name.

See also http://www.local.ie/content/28029.shtml http://www.local.ie/content/28032.shtml http://www.local.ie/content/28034.shtml

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posted 02-02-2001 02:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message
The is a possible castle site called 'Cogan Pill' identified by D. J. Cathcart King in the Vale of Glamorgan and located about ST 1772. At the moment this, and the fact it is completely gone, is all the information I have. I may get some more information on this site in the next week or so. I assume that since it's not in the list of early castles it must date from after 1215.

Finally a general word about castle names and surnames. In England and Wales very few castles are named after the families who built them. Most are named after the place when they are built. Surnames were only gradually taken on in the late middle ages and many people took the name of their birth place for a surname (particualy if they had moved away from that place), therefore, it is both entirely feasible and indeed likely that a person who shares a surname with that of a castle has no conection whatsoever with that castle.

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posted 02-02-2001 04:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message
The 'Black' entry;
COGAN- from Cogan in the diocese of Llandaff, South wales. Peter Cogan witnessed the gift of an acre of land in Coldingham (Scotland)to the monks of St Cuthbert, and Robert Cogan witnessed a charter of lands in Ravington to the Priory of Coldingham,1275 (Raine, 282,387) Robert Cogan del counte de Berewyk rendered homage 1296 (Bain 2 p203).
Robert Cogan(Coggane,or Coigin) was schoolmaster at Glencairn 1684(RPC 3 ser x p309, 570)and Samuel Cogan appears in Glengaber 1731 (Dumfries) Cogan or Coggan is an old west of England name, a John de Cogan of Hunispill Somerset in the reign of Edward 1 (HR), in Cambridgeshire in the 13thc (Guppy)
From George F Black, The Surnames of Scotland,
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posted 02-03-2001 07:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I just recieve the source I thought might have some information on Cogan Pill and it's not mentioned at all. So no more information from me I'm afraid. However, if anyone does find out about this site mentioned in Castellarium Anglicum by D J C King but not in his earlier lists of castles (The ones co-written with A H A Hogg) I would be grateful if they could let me have the information.

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posted 10-15-2002 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marko   Click Here to Email Marko     Edit/Delete Message
Don't know if tanukie is still looking, but could she be talking 'bout Cloghan Castle, near Banagher, County Offaly, Ireland? http://www.cloghancastle.com/

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